yeah, and Broly and Gogeta fighting together against MUI Goku would lose. Stick to what you think is true and wait till we get actual facts regarding the matter. by DSB » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:07 am, Post Terms Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. 1 did you not listen to what I said. If Goku UI is stronger than Gogeta Blue, that means Jiren, too, is stronger than Broly, because the difference in power between Goku UI and Jiren LB is smaller than the difference between Gogeta Blue and Broly FP. You're forgetting that Frieza was an intergalactic conqueror, so if Cell is even STRONGER than Frieza (not to mention as evil as Frieza was), that makes him a threat to the galaxy by default. (he slept for 36 years goku was 34 when he met beerus). The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. by PFM18 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:37 pm, Post by Rebel_Yeh » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:22 am, Post Watch Queue Queue Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) That's why I cited Cell. And again the androids are a  threat to humanity/earth. not to mention Cell did not  really do anything compared to freiza(killing a bunch of towns  against destroying planets and trading planets). That's what you're missing in all of this. Gogeta and Vegito are about equal in power. What do you think? | by WittyUsername » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:58 am, Post While there are slight variations in … Earth is only one of his planets. Instead a fusion was used against a single opponent, wow that speaks incredible volumes for a foe of Goku and Vegeta's. Jiren's power was stated to be considerably above that of any ki previously sensed by Vegeta and Kaioshin in EP109, which would include both Fused Zamasu (who put up a much better fight against SSB Vegetto than Broly did against SSB Gogeta) and Beerus (who cut loose against Champa twice, and who full-power LSS Broly was only "maybe" stronger than). Also  again Cell did not really do anything ( as in wipe out a planet) He said he was gonna destroy the earth after he became perfect  and when became super perfect He said he was gonna  commit genocide  and that was after he killed king kai .and even then if he noticed  Cell before the cell games. Krillin is a human from Earth and one of the characters who fight to protect … 1. this entire argument was started about broly existing and nobody sensing his ki. There's no Completed SSB, so the medium-exclusive forms from both mediums don't appear. At that point he should be multi folds above the likes of Beerus, while Broly shouldn't be. 5 Can't Defeat: Whis. SSG is not exclusive to the manga, Goku used it in the anime, and Vegeta has it in the anime, so there's really no manga-only elements to the movie at all. As for judging what Gogeta does to Broly, well, you also have to remember that Gogeta doesn't want to kill Broly, only beat him. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Gogeta or Vegito? Cool stuff that I upload here because Youtube will copyright claim it: To ask this question completely shows that one doesn't know Dragonball story. He barey cared about it. by ankokudaishogun » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:43 pm, Post First of all, Gogeta is stronger than MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren because Gogeta is made of Goku’s and Vegeta’s best traits and multiplies it by a lot so any power-up or transformation Goku or Vegeta gets is added to Gogeta. The movie does not clearly take place in either continuity. for some reason you assume since Cell is stornger than freiza= he will automatically decide to attack the galaxy.Yes, 3 No offense but what you said was ridicoulous and silly . 3 Again. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing. It was firmly established by Kami and Trunks that the Androids and Cell were a LOT more of a threat than Frieza, that alone would have given King Kai concern. Adding the 1 minute limit on MUI, Gogeta wins. Base gogeta >> SSB Goku and since the movie is based off the manga, Manga Mastered Ssb = SSBKX20. Opponents are stronger than the last. However, Even if Goku used Ultra Instinct against Broly it would be a stronger version previously used in the TOP against Jiren. cell is a bio android made to kill goku and avenge red ribbon army . by WittyUsername » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:59 pm, Post he watches over galaxies, billions of stars. 1. Did He Ever Find The Demon That Killed His Family And Friends? he rules the northern quadrant. All of that said, this isn't an argument I'd bet the rent on or anything. It isn't any more anime than it is manga. by ankokudaishogun » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:19 am, Post Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. Shin the science guy wrote: I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less … Mid diff at best considering UI’s mechanics King kai and even supreme kai watch over something far more massive than .kami. Modified by Hujio. Re: So.. Jiren or Broly, who is stronger. Yet no one knew about broly. Cell at that time was not a threat. So yes, he was indeed a threat during that time. Super. we saw that the androids where stronger than freiza. ProLight Style by Ian Bradley. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? As for Zeno . you probably should not do those. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. whats a guy who weaker than saiyan saga Vegata gonna do against a guy who is stronger than super saiyan goku.. by ankokudaishogun » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:01 pm, Post The only way they wouldn't qualify as a threat is if they were weaker than Frieza, period, no exceptions. Stronger definitely. dozens of men following his  orders.. His job is selling planets. SS Gogeta is probably a bit higher than Goku's KK20 Level. I honestly think that Broly takes the win, he tanked a full power punch from SSG Vegeta, while Jiren had to use his fingers in order to fight SSG Goku (who is stronger), not just that, he grows stronger as he fights, eventully he will adapt to Jirens attacks and clobber him. by WittyUsername » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:43 pm, Post 2. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Base gogeta × Mastered SSB = SSB Gogeta. Him and the androids wanted to kill goku not take over the universe. they just ruined the earth . SSJ Broly isn't even stronger than SSJ Gogeta, who isn't that much stronger than 50x SSB Goku (Base Gogeta being around SSB Goku's level) which is nothing to ToP Omen Goku and Jiren. by Rebel_Yeh » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:25 pm, Post their goals do not match, Can any mod close this thread. If we're going by the anime continuity then Jiren is inarguably stronger than Broly. Then SSG Gogeta is probably Fused Zamasu level / ToP Anime max Kefla/Broly level, while SSB Gogeta is reaching Jiren level (Jiren holding back). Both of these characters prove to be powerful, but which one is stronger? 3. Furthermore, Jiren got gradually stronger as the two fought and it's possible for him to do the same against Gogeta as well. But not "limitlessly" stronger. Who is stronger? why would they sense him? Pure logic there, and that's EXACTLY why Cell would have been dealt with as a threat preemptively, at the very least surveilled instead of not knowing of his existence until Goku when asking for directions to New Namek revealed this bit. Jiren can increase his power to keep pace with Gogeta the same way Broly did, only Jiren can do so with much more strategy and endurance. Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help, Post Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission! Both of these characters prove to be powerful, but which one is stronger? Rebel_Yeh Not-So-Newbie Posts: 64 Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:49 am. He  was affecting the GALAXY.not just  earth. Top. I already told you they dont contribute anything, 1 Ive made it pretty clear freiza an emperor  IN fact I said that like Ten times already( exxageration but you get the point) and thats what hurts your argument. LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. King kai job is to watch over the galaxy. This video is unavailable. Looking after earth  only is not his job. what did they do. Neither of them have his dodging ability and every time MUI is used it gets better, in one minute he went from being unable to win against Jiren to manhandling a Jiren that had surpassed his limits. As one … Forum Rules. he watches over others as well (, 2 not really since again quadrant(not a planet). Nobody knew of cell but kami(who did not think of him as that much of a threat) how are they gonna deal with him preemptivly if they barely knew who or what he was( and he came froma different timeline anyway). I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. (supreme kai  lives in the sacred world of kais which is unreachable unless you have Instantaneous movment which only he knew and king kai lived in the other world). The potara fusion or fusion dance? Freiza has an empire. You constantly  comparison with Broly to these type of characters make no sense, 3   How does being strongerr than freiza mean your automatically a threat to the galaxy?Cell didnt have an empire. Not to mention that cell was not really a direct threat to them to start with. by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:48 pm, Post by PFM18 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:39 am, Post | and he had GOD KI( the ki that can only be sensed by those with divine status or being a god themself) which almost everybody who had it  at that time either already knew him and expected him to keep sleeping(most of the kais) or  never knew about him since again he was sleeping . I think Jiren is stronger than ssb gogeta. In King Kai's shoes, I'd deem him a preemptive threat to the galaxy and try to constantly observe him precisely BECAUSE I knew that, if he's stronger than Frieza, then even if he so far is only targeting androids and towns, he'll inevitably target the Galaxy next. Unlike dende  who created the dragon balls he has nothing really to contribute ( except  useless training that the hyperbolic time chamber   was there already), Your FYI   contribued to nothing and made you come off as condescending. 1.TO earth(precisley humanity). AGAIN he is not KAMI (GOd of EARTH). No one exactly sensed Beerus either, and even Shin didn't seem to be aware of Zeno when he first appeared (and Zeno's literally the strongest out there, enough to make Majin Buu into mincemeat or, heck, Broly for that matter). by DSB » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:11 am, Post Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited, Privacy by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:02 am, Post That's just what I think. Or would you pre-emptively ensure he's wiped out precisely because being stronger than Frieza makes him an automatic threat to the galaxy? 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